On the 98th episode of the Silver Bullet Security Podcast, Gary chats with Bart Miller, Professor of Computer Science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison and Chief Scientist of the DHS Software Assurance Marketplace Research Facility. Gary and Bart discuss Heartbleed, fuzz testing, his work with Jeff Hollingsworth on dynamic instrumentation of binaries, and the SWAMP project. They close out their talk by deciding: SCUBA or skiing?